Aug 12, 2025 · 1:09:52

Adam Scott on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

The Hang, in Short

Nick Offerman shows up to give Amy a question for Adam and immediately starts reminiscing about seeing Adam's prosthetic penis in the HBO show Tell Me You Love Me, which was apparently the first thing Nick ever saw him in. He jokes that Adam "pulled it off," which is exactly the kind of dad humor you'd expect. The Parks and Rec reunion energy is strong as Nick and Amy gush about Adam's weirdly varied career, from Piranha 3D to Scorsese films. Amy shares that Adam's her favorite leading man she's worked with because he "lets the dorky parts of himself shine." They worry they didn't have enough "hunk room" when Adam and Rob Lowe joined the show. Then Adam arrives and they analyze fake food together, discussing whether avocado belongs on sandwiches (it doesn't, they agree, because it slides out) and Amy's TMJ issues.

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  1. 0:00

    Hello everyone. Welcome to another

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    episode of Good Hang. I am so excited to

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    talk to my TV husband, the father of my

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    triplets, Adam Scott aka Ben Wyatt,

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    Leslie Nope's dream come true. Adam

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    Scott, incredible actor, friend. He's

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    just I I just loved talking to him today

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    and we really get into it. We talk about

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    his love of you, too. We talk about how

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    he weirdly likes to drive barefoot. We

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    talk about parks and wreck, of course,

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    and we give you a lot of juicy stuff

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    there. and I try to figure out the crazy

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    ending of Severance. And um honestly, I

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    I don't know what's going on. So, I I

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    try to have him help me um understand

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    that incredible show. But before we

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    start, um we always like to talk to

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    people who know our guest and who want

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    to give us a question. And we're going

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    to keep this parks and wreck reunion

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    going today by talking to the one, the

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    only Nick Offererman.

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    Nick, are you there?

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    Hi Nick.

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    Hello,

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    Nick. You know what I love? Every time I

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    see you, I never know what kind of hair

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    situation I'm going to get with you. And

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    you and our guest today, Adam Scott,

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    great heads of hair.

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    That's the main thing we have in common.

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    Um, super super cute uh

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    guy in in one instance and donkey with

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    uh great heads of hair.

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    Stop it. You are so handsome. I love to

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    see you since I've seen you last in

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    person. It's been a minute. And um the

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    the one of the best things about this

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    podcast is getting to like talk to

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    everybody again and spend time with

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    everybody. And today I'm spending time

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    with the great Adam Scott,

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    the greatest.

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    Well, you know, we're going to talk

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    about this when we're in person someday

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    together. But I think that, you know, I

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    know that the character of Ron Swanson

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    is

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    iconic and it is in no um small part to

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    the way that you transformed yourself

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    and the way you approach your work

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    because I met you in Chicago back in the

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    day and you were coming from to this

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    work in a much more for lack of a better

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    term like more prepared actor space and

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    and you you're such a fine actor and I

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    can't wait to talk to you about it. And

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    Adam very similarly like kind of came

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    into the biz from that space too.

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    He did. Uh thank you by the way. I did

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    not expect compliments today. But I

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    Well, your people uh emailed me and said

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    I needed to start with them. So

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    I thank you and please thank them for me

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    as well. Um yeah, I love that about

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    Adam. I love his uh they hilariously

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    asked me to write a little thing for

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    Time magazine for like the hundred cool

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    people at right now. And it it was so

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    funny cuz they asked me to like sum up

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    his his thing and they gave me like 650

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    words or some something so brief that

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    and then they even cut paragraphs where

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    I was like come on you guys. Like this

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    guy's career is hilariously varied and

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    astonishing and also risible. Like he

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    has literally done everything. Um

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    I'm just going to look up Rizible real

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    quick.

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    It's a it's you'll you'll love Rizible.

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    R I S I B L E.

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    You love words. You are you've taught me

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    a lot of words. Rizible. Such as to

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    provoke laughter. I should know that

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    word.

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    You know, I love about him that he he

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    has done like piranha 3D and like just

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    wonderful like be movie schlot kind of

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    stuff. Also crazy the what was that HBO

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    show where he had apparently it was in

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    his contract that he had to show his

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    balls every episode.

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    Tell me you love me. He had a prosthetic

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    penis. It was the first thing I saw of

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    him.

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    Oh my god. And and he carried it off.

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    He sure did. literally carried off.

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    I guess I I guess you could have to say

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    he pulled it off.

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    He really pulled it off. I've known him

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    for a long time. We uh did play

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    workshops together like 20 plus years

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    ago and he was just this cool funny guy.

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    Like if you get to step aside with Adam

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    anywhere, he's just immediately the cool

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    kid where he's he whatever he says to

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    you, you're like, "Oh, I just want to

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    hang out with you." whatever this event

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    is. I mean, getting to work with him

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    finally on on Parks and Wreck, I always

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    said, and to this day, I still feel like

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    he's my favorite leading man that I've

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    worked with. Um, because he's so

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    authentic. He um he he lets the dorky

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    parts of himself shine. Even in

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    severance, he, you know, Adam's pure

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    sort of youthful uh juvenile otter like

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    persona

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    comes out even though he's like our our

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    romantic leading man. And I agree, it's

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    so gorgeous to see him leading this

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    massive artistic achievement. Yeah, I I

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    I I'm going to talk to him today about

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    obviously when he joined our show and

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    how uh what that felt like to jump onto

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    a train that was already moving. But I

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    realize I never talked to you. Look, you

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    and I I think had such similar first day

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    goals for the show and it was to make

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    good work and have a good time. And I

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    feel like we, you know, you more than

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    anyone at times really were my partner

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    in that every day. And

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    um I'm so grateful for it. But was there

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    when you remember him and Rob joining

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    the show was what do you remember

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    feeling about that at the time?

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    There was an excitement for sure. Uh

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    Adam was just coming off Party Down

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    which Megan had worked on with him,

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    right? And I was I was a really big fan

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    of

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    your great wife Megan Mali. People

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    should know your Tammy wife in life and

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    on on the show.

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    Tammy 2 plus.

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    I remember being excited at the talent

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    and but also having a little bit uh

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    where we had maybe eight series regulars

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    at the time. We were like um do we need

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    two can we service two

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    new hunks? Uh,

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    do we have enough do we have enough hunk

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    room?

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    Yeah.

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    Yeah. Yeah, I hear you. Um, okay. So,

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    I'm asking my Zoomers to uh give me a

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    question to ask my guest. So, I was

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    wondering if there's any question you

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    think I should ask Adam today. If I was

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    just hanging with Adam, this is what I

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    would ask him is he's he's he's one of

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    those guys who has a few dozen stories

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    that I've never heard, even though I've

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    heard dozens. Um, of just like

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    luminaries that he's, you know,

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    Scorsesei put him in a Leo movie. like

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    he's he's done so much and and casually

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    and quietly been uh in so many great

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    arenas.

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    I I would just say tell me tell me a

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    story about uh somebody who you would be

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    starruck with that I haven't heard um

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    that you've worked with.

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    That's a great question, Nick. I love

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    that question. And you're right there.

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    There's a quiet

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    experience that Adam doesn't brag about

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    certainly, but that like a lot he's been

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    on a lot of different sets with very

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    interesting to your point luminaries.

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    He's been he's been everywhere.

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    Well, friend, I hope I I can't wait to

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    get you in this seat. And it's a hot

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    seat, man. And and when we get when you

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    get here, I do want to talk more about

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    facial hair because I do think you've

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    had to switcheroo so much in your life

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    and your Ron's mustache is I'm going to

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    put it up there in the Mount Rushmore of

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    mustaches and I miss you very much and

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    love you and so appreciate you doing

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    this.

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    Well, I I miss you and love you as well

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    and uh give give my best to the gang and

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    we'll be in touch.

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    All right, buddy. See you soon.

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    Cheers.

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    Well, people haven't seen this feel. You

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    can't you can't hear it, but you can.

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    Listeners, this is a heavy peach. You

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    could kill someone with that peach.

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    That's why I like it.

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    Why is it is it a paper weight?

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    I guess it probably is. Doesn't smell.

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    There's not. You know what it doesn't

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    smell like is a peach.

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    Nope.

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    [Laughter]

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    Um, listeners, Adam Scott's just come

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    into the studio and he's um checking out

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    all the fake food. I knew you would love

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    it.

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    Peach still looks like a butt no matter

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    what.

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    Yeah, Peach is a butt.

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    I mean, that's why you give send someone

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    a peach emoji. You're like,

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    you're like, "Hey." You're like, "I like

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    your butt."

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    These are the miniature.

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    I love it.

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    Uh, this is doesn't get enough play.

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    This you might like. This is a felt

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    sandwich. But guess what? You can take

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    it apart.

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    You can also take a bite if you want. I

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    love a You know what? We don't You know

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    what we don't talk about enough is how

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    great a good sandwich is.

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    What is your favorite sandwich?

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    Uh I like

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    if you were to build a sandwich.

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    Okay. First of all, it would need to be

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    felt all of it. Um I just if feels good

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    in your hands.

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    Yeah.

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    Two different cheese. I mean, this is

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    I don't know. This might be too much

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    information, but I have a little bit of

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    TMJ.

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    So, yeah. So, it's hard. It's hard for

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    me to open my mouth to eat a sandwich.

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    I get nervous that I'm going to get

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    locked.

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    Sure. Like this.

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    And your arms, too. Locked like this.

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    And so, a giant sandwich.

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    Yeah. It's But check this out.

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    Bread.

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    Yeah. Tomato.

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    Tomato.

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    Some onion.

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    Onion. What the heck? What are we in

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    California?

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    AO. I don't like AO on a sandwich.

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    I don't either. Let's talk about it

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    because I feel like AO makes it soggy.

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    It also slides out.

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    That's what you said.

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    It doesn't cooperate with the rest of

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    the sandwich.

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    Um, speaking of AO,

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    yeah,

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    Adam Scott is here and he's a California

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    kid.

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    You're a California kid.

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    Yeah,

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    you grew up in California.

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    You love giving me [ __ ] about being a

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    California person.

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    Well, you grew up in Santa Cruz. and

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    tell people how you used to drive.

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    If you're wearing This is a universal

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    thing.

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    It definitely is not.

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    If you're wearing flip flops,

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    okay, yeah, that's already 80% of the

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    world is already

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    and you have to drive a car. It is

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    unsafe to keep the flip-flops on. You

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    have to kick them off and drive

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    barefoot.

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    People in Santa Cruz drive barefoot.

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    Ridiculous.

  321. 12:28

    And Adam one time casually was like,

  322. 12:30

    "You know when you're like driving

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    barefoot?" I I said, "Is your house on

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    fire?"

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    Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you forget your

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    shoes?

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    But Santa Cruz people drive barefoot.

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    If you keep your flip flops on, they can

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    easily get like caught under the the gas

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    or the the brake and then you're you

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    know

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    Yeah. I I I that has happened to me when

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    I'm driving a golf cart on vacation. I

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    don't wear flip flops in life.

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    You Oh, so you've never entered a car

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    with flip flops on?

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    I don't know if I ever have cuz like I

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    feel like

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    I'm going to call [ __ ] on that right

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    now.

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    Well, first of all, I don't like uh

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    flip- flops that have the thing. You

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    probably You know what? Santa Cruz

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    probably loves this. The thing between

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    the the big toe and the

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    How else does a flip-flop function? What

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    kind of flip-flops are you wearing?

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    I like a flip-flop that Well, I guess

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    it's not a flip-flop that has the thing

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    over the foot.

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    Yeah, that's a sandal.

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    Okay. I like a sandal. I don't like a

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    flip flop.

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    All right. All right.

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    Um

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    Agree to disagree.

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    Santa Cruz. It feels like you guys

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    walked around flip-flops all day and all

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    these people.

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    I remember I sent you a photo from

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    Hawaii once. That's why I thought of

  362. 13:35

    Hawaii where I I sent you a photo of my

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    barefoot on a gas pedal and you were

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    just like, "Nuhuh."

  365. 13:42

    Al Yeah. So gross. Also truly like um

  366. 13:48

    bare feet in general like I'm a I don't

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    know.

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    Yeah. Listen,

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    how do you feel about bare feet?

  370. 13:54

    Okay. I'm I don't like love bare bare

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    feet and I don't wear flip flop fl like

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    I feel like in my 20s I was fine with

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    like jeans and flip flops which now I

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    feel like should be illegal.

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    I mean we spent a lot both of us spent a

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    lot of time in New York City. Like flip

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    flops in New York City is disgusting.

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    Doesn't work. It's gross.

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    I mean I guess Santa Cruz is nice but

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    how can you run away from those

  381. 14:21

    vampires?

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    Yeah in flip flops you can't do it. My

  383. 14:24

    first introduction to Santa Cruz was the

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    movie Lost Boys where there were hot

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    vampires.

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    Yeah. Jason Patrick in 1987.

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    So, how were you? How old were you then?

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    I was when that movie came out.

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    When they filmed it, I was 13 and my

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    next door neighbor Joe Ferrara. He owned

  391. 14:41

    the comic book store that they use in

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    the movie. So, I got to go on the set of

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    Lost Boys as a 13-year-old

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    and I met Joel Schumacher

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    and I stood outside Cory Hay and Cory

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    Feldman's trailers and watched them walk

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    to their trailers and it was super

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    exciting.

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    That's pretty much but um it was my

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    comic book store. It was the comic book

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    store I go to all the time. So, I saw

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    like how they made it look different for

  403. 15:09

    the movie and it was just it was cool.

  404. 15:11

    What were comics were you into when you

  405. 15:12

    were a kid? I was into I was into like

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    the Freak Brothers and Fat Freddy's Cat.

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    Do you know what these?

  408. 15:20

    Nope.

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    So, do you think I just made those up?

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    Fat Freddy's Cat.

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    Fat Freddy's Cat and the and the

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    fabulous furry Freak Brothers. They were

  413. 15:28

    like stoner. They were comic books about

  414. 15:31

    stoners.

  415. 15:31

    Oh, interesting. So, it wasn't more it

  416. 15:33

    wasn't like the Marvel universe. Was it

  417. 15:36

    I did that for I dabbled in that but I

  418. 15:38

    was kind of more into the weird like

  419. 15:40

    Zippy the pin head and do you know who

  420. 15:43

    that is?

  421. 15:43

    I I think I remember that a little bit

  422. 15:45

    like when I was older there was it was a

  423. 15:48

    like alternative comic

  424. 15:50

    and I don't know why I was into it. Uh

  425. 15:53

    but I I loved the Freak Brothers and I

  426. 15:55

    wasn't smoking pot when I was like a

  427. 15:58

    little kid or anything. I just love

  428. 16:00

    these comic books. I know

  429. 16:01

    you weren't you heard it here first

  430. 16:03

    guys. Adam was not

  431. 16:04

    I mean Santa Cruz I guess it's a kind of

  432. 16:06

    a tossup.

  433. 16:06

    They just blow it into your car. I'm

  434. 16:08

    sure

  435. 16:09

    with the they blow it into your car and

  436. 16:11

    make you take your shoes off.

  437. 16:12

    Yeah. You just flip flops are made out

  438. 16:14

    of weed. I'm sure

  439. 16:15

    you have to smoke your flipflops.

  440. 16:17

    Um I have now interviewed Rudd and Ham.

  441. 16:21

    Ham I haven't gotten into the studio

  442. 16:23

    yet, but I did he did he he um he did

  443. 16:26

    thing.

  444. 16:27

    Yeah, he zoomed in from a hot air

  445. 16:28

    balloon. Yeah, that's right. Um, but we

  446. 16:30

    talked a little bit about you guys all

  447. 16:33

    meeting and being like,

  448. 16:35

    you know, young bucks at the same time,

  449. 16:38

    which is really wild.

  450. 16:40

    Yeah.

  451. 16:41

    Where and they've talked about you.

  452. 16:44

    Where did you see yourself in that trio?

  453. 16:46

    What how would you describe because

  454. 16:48

    you're What would you How would you

  455. 16:49

    describe yourself if you like which

  456. 16:50

    angel are you?

  457. 16:51

    That's so funny. It's true. I always

  458. 16:54

    kind of feel like sort of the little

  459. 16:56

    brother in that trio a little bit

  460. 16:58

    cuz I'm quite a bit younger than both of

  461. 17:01

    them. Obviously that's like

  462. 17:03

    pretty good. Um,

  463. 17:05

    no, I feel like

  464. 17:08

    Rudd I knew Paul I knew first um because

  465. 17:12

    we met I met him at my graduation from

  466. 17:16

    acting school. He was he was a speaker

  467. 17:19

    at the graduation and I

  468. 17:20

    He was talking about acting. No, he was

  469. 17:23

    giving out an award and I was wearing

  470. 17:25

    like this uh polyester red suit

  471. 17:30

    just cuz I uh you know, you're just kind

  472. 17:32

    of looking for attention wherever you

  473. 17:34

    can get it. I guess if you're graduating

  474. 17:35

    from theater school.

  475. 17:37

    Oh, that's so that hit me really hard.

  476. 17:39

    That's so true. You're just like, I'm

  477. 17:40

    going to wear I'm going to dress like a

  478. 17:42

    cowgirl or something and you're like,

  479. 17:44

    I'm really I'm really out there.

  480. 17:45

    Everyone's going to just cheer for me

  481. 17:48

    just because I'm wearing this thing. Um

  482. 17:52

    uh but yeah, we we I remember we hung

  483. 17:55

    out afterwards and he was like, "Nice

  484. 17:57

    suit." Um

  485. 17:58

    so it worked.

  486. 17:59

    It totally worked. Um

  487. 18:01

    but yeah, so so so that was like 1993.

  488. 18:06

    So I've known Paul and then we did a

  489. 18:08

    play together which I think he brought

  490. 18:09

    up on your show um in the fall of 1993.

  491. 18:13

    Now, I remember I got my first acting

  492. 18:15

    job while I was rehearsing that play and

  493. 18:18

    my beeper kept going off while we were

  494. 18:21

    rehearsing and the other guy in the

  495. 18:23

    scene kept turning it off. Um,

  496. 18:25

    passive aggressive

  497. 18:26

    and it was Yeah. Yeah. turning it like

  498. 18:30

    turning off that acting job for me.

  499. 18:32

    He was like, "No." Exactly.

  500. 18:33

    He's like, "We need you to be here."

  501. 18:34

    Trying to stand in front of that acting

  502. 18:36

    job.

  503. 18:36

    Exactly.

  504. 18:37

    Uh that guest spot on Dead at 21. He

  505. 18:40

    didn't want anyone. He He wanted to get

  506. 18:41

    that. And that guy was Leonardo

  507. 18:43

    DiCaprio.

  508. 18:44

    That's right. That's right. And was

  509. 18:47

    never heard from again.

  510. 18:48

    Nope. Never worked again.

  511. 18:50

    Um, so yeah. So I knew Paul then and

  512. 18:52

    then I met Ham like a few years later.

  513. 18:54

    But I mean that is that's a very that's

  514. 18:58

    a very like outsiders young gun kind of

  515. 19:00

    vibe that you guys were all acting like

  516. 19:03

    trying to audition. Yeah. I mean, and in

  517. 19:06

    in the world in in in in the world,

  518. 19:09

    you're very different, but I imagine

  519. 19:10

    like there was I don't know, you could

  520. 19:12

    have done a lot of similar parts and

  521. 19:14

    probably audition for similar things.

  522. 19:16

    Yeah. And I remember once uh John and I

  523. 19:19

    were each doing a different CSI. He was

  524. 19:23

    doing regular CSI. I was doing CSI Miami

  525. 19:25

    and we were shooting like near each

  526. 19:28

    other in Culver City or something and

  527. 19:31

    like met up to go get a a beer

  528. 19:33

    afterwards and I remember just kind of

  529. 19:37

    sitting there and just being like, "How

  530. 19:39

    much longer do you think we're going to

  531. 19:40

    need to be like doing CSI, Mike?"

  532. 19:43

    Because it was years and years for both

  533. 19:46

    of us.

  534. 19:46

    I know. I think it's super satisfying to

  535. 19:50

    talk to you about this stage of your

  536. 19:52

    career cuz like a lot of people I know

  537. 19:56

    frankly you had so much experience

  538. 19:59

    before a lot of America knew you like

  539. 20:02

    and I was talking to like Nick about

  540. 20:04

    this earlier. Oh, I talked to Nick

  541. 20:06

    Offerman about it.

  542. 20:06

    I did.

  543. 20:08

    It was a surprise. But um he wanted to

  544. 20:10

    know um when like when in that in that

  545. 20:14

    part of your career before we all met

  546. 20:16

    And I think he was specifically talking

  547. 20:18

    about when you worked with Martin

  548. 20:19

    Scorsesi, but like what what was when

  549. 20:22

    were you really starruck during that

  550. 20:24

    time?

  551. 20:25

    I was always starruck and never felt

  552. 20:28

    comfortable partially because

  553. 20:32

    and maybe it's similar for you like not

  554. 20:35

    growing up in Los Angeles or in show

  555. 20:38

    business at all like having zero contact

  556. 20:40

    with it. It being on a TV show or being

  557. 20:43

    in a movie felt like going to the moon.

  558. 20:46

    Mhm.

  559. 20:46

    So once you're there, it's just so crazy

  560. 20:49

    that there's a camera and there are

  561. 20:51

    lights and a famous person sitting next

  562. 20:54

    to you that I sort of it took me a

  563. 20:56

    really long time and I think probably

  564. 20:59

    hindered me. It's probably one of the

  565. 21:01

    reasons that I

  566. 21:03

    that it took me a while as I just never

  567. 21:05

    was able to relax because I was so

  568. 21:08

    freaked out by all of it. Um

  569. 21:10

    really

  570. 21:11

    I think so.

  571. 21:11

    Just were you really anxious? really

  572. 21:14

    anxious but really nervous.

  573. 21:15

    Nervous.

  574. 21:16

    And

  575. 21:17

    how did it manifest? Did it manifest or

  576. 21:20

    Yeah, it manifested in me not being and

  577. 21:22

    and I think part of it is and it's

  578. 21:25

    something that I saw you doing pretty

  579. 21:27

    immediately when we started working

  580. 21:29

    together is you were like

  581. 21:32

    you were good with all of it and

  582. 21:35

    comfortable with all of it and you were

  583. 21:39

    able to share yourself with the camera

  584. 21:42

    which is something that took me a long

  585. 21:44

    time to even realize was something you

  586. 21:46

    needed to do beyond figuring out what

  587. 21:49

    the scene was or the characters or

  588. 21:51

    anything like that. You just have to be

  589. 21:53

    able to to open up and share yourself

  590. 21:58

    with it. Does that make sense?

  591. 21:59

    It doesn't. It's so interesting because

  592. 22:00

    it's kind of like what we talked about

  593. 22:03

    like the way in to like when you and any

  594. 22:07

    job the way the way you enter can be

  595. 22:10

    kind of the thing that you identify with

  596. 22:12

    forever like I'm this kind of person.

  597. 22:14

    I'm this kind of performer. And I always

  598. 22:17

    found like when I was in Chicago and

  599. 22:19

    it's funny like Nick is a good example.

  600. 22:20

    Nick was in like the like serious

  601. 22:23

    theater scene and there were the

  602. 22:24

    improvisers and you know people that

  603. 22:27

    came the comedy road. There were the

  604. 22:29

    serious actors who studied acting,

  605. 22:31

    right?

  606. 22:32

    And I used to find that they were so

  607. 22:35

    trained and so good and I felt a little

  608. 22:38

    inferior in terms of skill

  609. 22:40

    but I also thought they took things very

  610. 22:42

    seriously.

  611. 22:43

    Yeah. And because of it, they were

  612. 22:46

    missing that like play

  613. 22:47

    totally like it was all their work was

  614. 22:50

    done when they got to set.

  615. 22:51

    I said this about you and Katherine Han,

  616. 22:54

    two very skilled actors who who who

  617. 22:57

    studied.

  618. 22:58

    You first of all, you knew your lines,

  619. 23:00

    which is important.

  620. 23:02

    Okay, that's your lines.

  621. 23:04

    I did. But I mean I just mean but I mean

  622. 23:06

    you would you would both prepare in a

  623. 23:08

    way that was an you know part of the

  624. 23:11

    process of you working and the

  625. 23:13

    preparation was really impressive. Um

  626. 23:16

    and what I really um loved about working

  627. 23:19

    with you and still do is you are one of

  628. 23:21

    those rare people that you may maybe it

  629. 23:23

    was learned maybe it didn't come right

  630. 23:25

    away but you do have a big sense of

  631. 23:28

    play. You do not come in with some

  632. 23:30

    preconceived notion of how things should

  633. 23:32

    go.

  634. 23:33

    And you can straddle that like really

  635. 23:36

    good, deep acting and really dumb fun

  636. 23:42

    [ __ ]

  637. 23:42

    right?

  638. 23:43

    But that's because Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.

  639. 23:45

    Go.

  640. 23:46

    No. Why? Why do you think that's because

  641. 23:48

    Well, I think that's because I was doing

  642. 23:50

    it with you.

  643. 23:50

    But you were doing it before then, too.

  644. 23:52

    Not really. I mean,

  645. 23:54

    really? Party down,

  646. 23:56

    right? And

  647. 23:57

    but Party Downs,

  648. 23:59

    but Party Down was more scripted. I

  649. 24:01

    mean, we didn't have the like fun runs

  650. 24:03

    and stuff like we did on Parks.

  651. 24:05

    Um, I think Martin Star would improvise

  652. 24:09

    more than anybody. Um, and Step

  653. 24:12

    Brothers, I was just like trying to keep

  654. 24:14

    my head above water. I'd never really

  655. 24:16

    improvised before. So I was like it was

  656. 24:18

    one of the reasons I looking back I was

  657. 24:20

    I I once started really doing parks and

  658. 24:24

    it's like this is the way to do it. This

  659. 24:26

    is like so fun

  660. 24:28

    and um and it's no less satisfying than

  661. 24:33

    some serious thing. It's it's all in

  662. 24:36

    there. The characters are bone deep.

  663. 24:39

    It's so funny. Everyone cares about each

  664. 24:42

    other and it's super fun. Um, so it it

  665. 24:46

    made me kind of think like all those

  666. 24:48

    years I was wasting trying to like get

  667. 24:50

    three lines on NYPD Blue, I could have

  668. 24:53

    been trying to do something at Improv

  669. 24:56

    Olympic or it just it's just you look

  670. 24:58

    back and

  671. 25:00

    it's so funny. I I can remember all the

  672. 25:02

    those years that we all did those movies

  673. 25:04

    big and small parts in them where improv

  674. 25:06

    was so important to make those movies

  675. 25:09

    come alive. But I remember there was

  676. 25:12

    like a tipping point for me one time in

  677. 25:14

    a movie that I did where like there was

  678. 25:16

    just like 10 people like shouting jokes

  679. 25:19

    at me, right,

  680. 25:20

    about like do this and do that. And I

  681. 25:22

    remember going like oh I don't even know

  682. 25:23

    what my character's name is. I don't I

  683. 25:25

    don't even know what my character is.

  684. 25:27

    Like it's so I kind of

  685. 25:29

    It's so interesting you say that because

  686. 25:31

    like it's around that time from like

  687. 25:33

    2005 through like 2013

  688. 25:36

    that was the overwhelming culture on

  689. 25:40

    comedy sets was just a bunch of people

  690. 25:42

    screaming

  691. 25:43

    jokes at you and you just being like

  692. 25:45

    yeah who which one of us says and

  693. 25:47

    they're like either one and you're like

  694. 25:49

    who cares cool yeah I've done a good job

  695. 25:51

    with my character if either one of us

  696. 25:53

    can say this joke. No, I know. And I

  697. 25:55

    feel I it's it's and you like your

  698. 25:58

    career is so interesting. You have done

  699. 26:02

    so many different things. I think it's

  700. 26:04

    what is I I know for me like so exciting

  701. 26:08

    about this moment for you is that um

  702. 26:12

    it's just it there just really nothing

  703. 26:16

    you can't do. Adam,

  704. 26:17

    stop that.

  705. 26:18

    It's so true, dude. So ridiculous. Um,

  706. 26:21

    have But but I think people like to know

  707. 26:24

    these things. Was there ever a part you

  708. 26:26

    auditioned for that you got close on

  709. 26:27

    that you didn't get?

  710. 26:28

    Yeah. Uh, Six Feet Under.

  711. 26:31

    Yeah, that that was the one that I

  712. 26:34

    didn't get. And it's good that

  713. 26:35

    it was for Michael Se Hall's role.

  714. 26:37

    Michael Se Hall's role. And it's good

  715. 26:38

    that I didn't get it because

  716. 26:41

    it wouldn't be nearly as good if I had

  717. 26:45

    done it cuz

  718. 26:47

    um he was perfect and incredible. He's

  719. 26:50

    incredible. And I wasn't ready.

  720. 26:52

    But you mean like it was between you and

  721. 26:54

    two other guys?

  722. 26:55

    He and I tested for it and I believe

  723. 26:58

    that hurts.

  724. 26:59

    I It It was It was the one where I was

  725. 27:01

    like, I might stop doing this. I think

  726. 27:04

    that it's time for me to like read the

  727. 27:08

    tea leaves and walk away. I think people

  728. 27:10

    understand that enough when you we all

  729. 27:12

    have when you lose a part and it's so

  730. 27:14

    close and then the show is this hit and

  731. 27:16

    you watch it.

  732. 27:17

    It really is like

  733. 27:18

    painful

  734. 27:19

    someone [ __ ] your girlfriend in front

  735. 27:20

    of

  736. 27:21

    Yeah.

  737. 27:23

    100%.

  738. 27:23

    You're just like, "Oh my god, this show

  739. 27:25

    is so good and he's so good in

  740. 27:27

    that show." And that show was everything

  741. 27:30

    like it just kind of like eclipsed all

  742. 27:33

    other shows. It was the show I went and

  743. 27:35

    did a couple episodes as Michael's

  744. 27:37

    boyfriend. Oh, that's really

  745. 27:39

    like in season two and

  746. 27:42

    and Michael was like, "You want to see

  747. 27:43

    the trailer you could have?"

  748. 27:44

    Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Everything he

  749. 27:46

    showed me his uh his bank account. Um

  750. 27:49

    no, he he was lovely, of course, and and

  751. 27:52

    it was fun and stuff, but yeah, that was

  752. 27:54

    a blow. That was hard. Um but you know,

  753. 27:58

    that's it's also important that you have

  754. 28:01

    those

  755. 28:03

    those experiences.

  756. 28:04

    Are you good in auditions, do you think?

  757. 28:06

    No. No. No. No. Terrible.

  758. 28:08

    Me too.

  759. 28:08

    I hated it so much. I was so nervous.

  760. 28:11

    You were nervous.

  761. 28:12

    Yeah.

  762. 28:13

    What about you?

  763. 28:14

    Well, I was nervous, too. But the way I

  764. 28:16

    masked my nervousness was, which is not

  765. 28:18

    a great quality, is I would get kind of

  766. 28:20

    like um I would seem kind of ambivalent.

  767. 28:22

    Uhhuh.

  768. 28:23

    Like I would get kind of, you know, when

  769. 28:24

    you get nervous, you get sleepy.

  770. 28:25

    Yh. Y

  771. 28:27

    so I would be very nervous and just like

  772. 28:30

    stomach in knots and and and really

  773. 28:32

    psyching myself out of like just go in

  774. 28:35

    there just just you know just do what

  775. 28:37

    you can do.

  776. 28:38

    Yeah.

  777. 28:38

    But that would tip over into

  778. 28:41

    I don't care.

  779. 28:41

    I don't care.

  780. 28:42

    Yeah.

  781. 28:42

    And what was your audition like for

  782. 28:44

    Park? Did you audition for parks and

  783. 28:46

    No. No. I was lucky.

  784. 28:48

    You just got they gave it to you.

  785. 28:50

    Yeah. Cuz Mike,

  786. 28:54

    I remember the day that my phone had you

  787. 28:58

    and Mike's names on the voicemail thing

  788. 29:02

    and I was like, whoa, is this is it

  789. 29:04

    finally like happening to me cuz I and I

  790. 29:07

    showed someone like look Mike Sher, Amy

  791. 29:10

    Polar and then there was someone else

  792. 29:11

    who was calling me. It was like suddenly

  793. 29:13

    for whatever reason people were there

  794. 29:16

    were incoming calls asking me to do

  795. 29:19

    stuff and then that had never happened

  796. 29:21

    before. Um I don't remember why that

  797. 29:24

    started happening on one particular day

  798. 29:27

    but you left me a voicemail and that was

  799. 29:29

    a huge deal. I'm sure I still have it.

  800. 29:31

    Really?

  801. 29:32

    Yeah. I'm sure I do.

  802. 29:33

    We should put like a techno beat to it.

  803. 29:35

    Totally

  804. 29:35

    put it out.

  805. 29:36

    No, that's when I first heard it I was

  806. 29:37

    like this would make a great song.

  807. 29:40

    This would be a hit. This is catchy.

  808. 29:42

    How does this voicemail catchy to me?

  809. 29:44

    So, wait, just Yes. C can can I just

  810. 29:47

    want to interject so I don't forget

  811. 29:49

    that's what I do. I I always forget [ __ ]

  812. 29:51

    that I was going to say. Every single

  813. 29:54

    day someone tells me Parks got them

  814. 29:58

    through the pandemic. And I heard you

  815. 29:59

    mention it on a previous episode.

  816. 30:01

    Every single day people say, "I watched

  817. 30:04

    it during co I watch it with my kid. My

  818. 30:06

    kid's going through a hard time. I like

  819. 30:09

    to watch it at night because I get I

  820. 30:11

    have a lot of anxiety. Like

  821. 30:13

    I I cannot believe the way that that

  822. 30:16

    show continues to be a a medicine for

  823. 30:20

    people. It's

  824. 30:20

    it's so nice.

  825. 30:22

    And Ben and Lesie.

  826. 30:24

    I know. I know. We just We Do you

  827. 30:27

    remember we were texting just a couple

  828. 30:28

    months ago and just kind of commented on

  829. 30:31

    how nice they are?

  830. 30:33

    They're so nice. They're so much nicer

  831. 30:35

    than us.

  832. 30:36

    So much nicer. And they're so nice to

  833. 30:38

    each other.

  834. 30:39

    I know.

  835. 30:40

    And every every woman deserves a Ben.

  836. 30:42

    Every woman deserves a partner like Ben

  837. 30:44

    who roots for you and like looks at you

  838. 30:49

    and is just like, "That's my gal." Like,

  839. 30:52

    everyone deserves that kind of

  840. 30:54

    relationship.

  841. 30:55

    Lesie from the word go

  842. 30:59

    loved Ben.

  843. 31:00

    Oh beyond.

  844. 31:01

    Like I Now looking back, it's like they

  845. 31:04

    were just in love with each other.

  846. 31:06

    immediately

  847. 31:07

    and their arc was such so juicy. The

  848. 31:09

    writers, Mike and the writers, because

  849. 31:11

    they meet and they're just like,

  850. 31:13

    "Well, what's your deal?"

  851. 31:15

    Oh, yeah. It was like,

  852. 31:16

    and then and then they like each other,

  853. 31:19

    but then they can't

  854. 31:20

    they can't be together.

  855. 31:22

    They can't be together, but she's like,

  856. 31:23

    "Really?" I mean, they probably could

  857. 31:24

    have

  858. 31:25

    I know. It didn't matter, but

  859. 31:27

    And then they

  860. 31:28

    And Mike was like, "This is totally fake

  861. 31:30

    and whatever, but we just need to have

  862. 31:32

    Rob care about you two being together."

  863. 31:34

    And it worked. And it was like made it

  864. 31:36

    even hotter.

  865. 31:38

    And then Ben was like, "I want you."

  866. 31:40

    Like Ben kept putting Leslie's, you know

  867. 31:42

    what it is.

  868. 31:43

    They kept putting each other's needs

  869. 31:46

    over their own. They cared about what

  870. 31:48

    the other one needed and they respected

  871. 31:50

    each other. Like they really liked what

  872. 31:52

    the other one did.

  873. 31:54

    And it was the best thing about that

  874. 31:55

    relationship is how um you know, with

  875. 31:57

    the exception of Ann who is

  876. 31:59

    of course

  877. 32:00

    Leslie's number one. Um

  878. 32:02

    of course uh

  879. 32:03

    I've accepted that.

  880. 32:04

    Yeah. uh is the way that they um they

  881. 32:08

    just rooted for each other.

  882. 32:10

    Yes,

  883. 32:11

    they really rooted for each other.

  884. 32:12

    I I haven't seen a ton of It makes me

  885. 32:15

    sad to watch the show cuz I miss it.

  886. 32:17

    Why did you say that? Why does it make

  887. 32:19

    you sad?

  888. 32:20

    Because I I miss it. I like you were

  889. 32:23

    saying like we really appreciated being

  890. 32:26

    there every day and it was so fun. And

  891. 32:29

    also just sort of walking in that

  892. 32:31

    building and then suddenly you're there

  893. 32:33

    and the hallways and the

  894. 32:35

    Yeah,

  895. 32:35

    it was so fun and the people I just

  896. 32:38

    loved everybody. But I guess maybe it

  897. 32:40

    just That's a good question. Why does it

  898. 32:43

    actually make me sad?

  899. 32:43

    I think I know is cuz you're stuck in

  900. 32:45

    that [ __ ] weirdo.

  901. 32:48

    You're running.

  902. 32:50

    I told Adam I was like too much running.

  903. 32:52

    Too much running. Yeah, I know. I was so

  904. 32:55

    tired.

  905. 32:56

    I mean just exhaust and there's you

  906. 32:58

    don't even know where you're going. I

  907. 32:59

    mean, every hallway looks the same.

  908. 33:00

    I know. Get lost. Get lost every day.

  909. 33:03

    It's just that's why

  910. 33:04

    it's exhausting and confusing.

  911. 33:07

    Yes,

  912. 33:08

    I know. Pawny hallways.

  913. 33:10

    People are dying in your new workplace.

  914. 33:12

    Like, they're getting killed.

  915. 33:14

    Pawnie, everyone's nice. There's a

  916. 33:17

    graphic painting of a massacre on the

  917. 33:20

    wall, but it's covered up. That's true.

  918. 33:22

    That's okay.

  919. 33:23

    It was a terrible massacre. Um, but

  920. 33:25

    something I saw recently is our very

  921. 33:28

    first scene in that bar when

  922. 33:30

    I love that scene.

  923. 33:31

    Me too.

  924. 33:32

    So well written, that scene.

  925. 33:33

    Yes. And

  926. 33:35

    we're having a beer and I say Ben says,

  927. 33:38

    "Yeah, but you want to you're going to

  928. 33:40

    run for and and like immediately just

  929. 33:42

    knows that Leslie has the these

  930. 33:45

    ambitions." Yes.

  931. 33:46

    That it seemed that you'd never even

  932. 33:48

    said out loud before, but is 100% what

  933. 33:52

    you planned on doing. It was just such a

  934. 33:54

    great little

  935. 33:55

    Yes. What they saw they saw in each

  936. 33:57

    other the dream for the other like they

  937. 34:01

    just they kept like they assumed the

  938. 34:04

    best and they saw

  939. 34:07

    the potential in each other basically. I

  940. 34:09

    know it was so fun to play that. And I

  941. 34:11

    was saying too that I I for this

  942. 34:13

    interview I rewatched your first scene

  943. 34:15

    which it's so good because Nick and I

  944. 34:18

    are on the we you know Ron and I never

  945. 34:21

    sat on this. We never even sat down next

  946. 34:23

    to each other.

  947. 34:24

    Usually you were at Loggerhead.

  948. 34:25

    Yeah. We were across from each other

  949. 34:27

    and so it's like you've got the kind of

  950. 34:30

    like

  951. 34:30

    Pawnie side and then you and Rob come in

  952. 34:33

    with suits,

  953. 34:34

    right?

  954. 34:35

    And it's like who are these whippers

  955. 34:36

    snipers?

  956. 34:42

    first,

  957. 34:46

    who is this new person?

  958. 34:48

    Who are these guys? Yeah.

  959. 34:56

    What was it like to join a show that was

  960. 34:59

    in motion that you had watched already

  961. 35:02

    on TV?

  962. 35:02

    It was so weird. Um, but immediately

  963. 35:06

    fun. Like even the first table read, I

  964. 35:08

    remember I was like I got I walked in

  965. 35:11

    the room like 1 minute after I was

  966. 35:14

    supposed to be there. So I was already

  967. 35:15

    like thrown like I'm [ __ ] late to my

  968. 35:19

    first Jesus Christ. And but it was

  969. 35:22

    immediately so warm and welcoming and

  970. 35:25

    super fun. People Everybody's laughing

  971. 35:28

    at the incredible jokes in the script.

  972. 35:32

    But then when we started shooting, um, I

  973. 35:35

    mean, you you know, you it was a it was

  974. 35:38

    a a welcoming place. It immediately kind

  975. 35:40

    of fostered encouraged your best, but

  976. 35:44

    also

  977. 35:46

    um to take swings and shots without any

  978. 35:51

    sort of fear of doing the wrong thing.

  979. 35:55

    That was just never really there. And

  980. 35:57

    then that short season was kind of short

  981. 35:59

    when we started because I was

  982. 36:00

    Prager's

  983. 36:02

    and it's not always easy like getting

  984. 36:06

    chemistry going with a gal who's like

  985. 36:08

    hiding her stomach behind a plant.

  986. 36:10

    Easy,

  987. 36:11

    but it was I remember just being like,

  988. 36:13

    "Oh, bless your heart, Adam." The other

  989. 36:15

    thing I just like that I feel like I am

  990. 36:18

    proud of during that is the way in which

  991. 36:22

    and I I said it before but I feel like

  992. 36:24

    the way in which in real time I it it's

  993. 36:27

    a job that I felt the most present in

  994. 36:31

    SNL felt like a you know a speeding

  995. 36:34

    train an emergency room and I learned

  996. 36:37

    really fast and hard lessons really fast

  997. 36:40

    and for

  998. 36:41

    everyone on parks I felt like we were

  999. 36:43

    all kind kind of in this tender bubble

  1000. 36:46

    because we often thought we were going

  1001. 36:48

    to get

  1002. 36:48

    cancelled

  1003. 36:49

    where

  1004. 36:51

    we just kind of knew what we had. I

  1005. 36:53

    don't know.

  1006. 36:54

    I think that you guys did a really good

  1007. 36:56

    job because all the stuff about us

  1008. 36:57

    almost getting cancelled. I think we all

  1009. 36:59

    kind of sensed something, but I don't

  1010. 37:01

    think any of us except you and I think

  1011. 37:03

    you and Mike protected us from a lot of

  1012. 37:05

    that, which is great producing and

  1013. 37:08

    really taking care of all of us.

  1014. 37:11

    Um,

  1015. 37:12

    I don't think we were ever quite I've

  1016. 37:15

    kind of heard all of it since. Um, but

  1017. 37:17

    it was pretty tenuous there at the end

  1018. 37:20

    of the seasons.

  1019. 37:21

    Yeah. Yeah.

  1020. 37:22

    Which is scary.

  1021. 37:23

    You're a great producer. What do you

  1022. 37:24

    like about producing? Speaking of

  1023. 37:26

    producing.

  1024. 37:26

    That's nice of you to say. Um, I learned

  1025. 37:30

    a lot watching you work and working with

  1026. 37:33

    you, both as a producer, but also as the

  1027. 37:36

    lead actor. like you really kind of set

  1028. 37:39

    the template for me

  1029. 37:42

    truly um how everyone should and

  1030. 37:46

    deserves to be treated

  1031. 37:48

    cast and crew and all of that. I always

  1032. 37:50

    kind of directing specifically is like

  1033. 37:53

    cuz you're looking at a monitor all day.

  1034. 37:55

    It's like getting to watch television

  1035. 37:57

    which is like one of my favorite things

  1036. 37:58

    to do except you get to go in and try to

  1037. 38:00

    make it better. And producing is

  1038. 38:02

    somewhat similar in that you're spending

  1039. 38:04

    all of your time just trying to nitpick

  1040. 38:07

    and find all of the things that don't

  1041. 38:10

    work and find solutions for all of them

  1042. 38:13

    or or making sure everybody's happy and

  1043. 38:16

    feeling good about what they're doing.

  1044. 38:17

    That's another important component that

  1045. 38:20

    I really learned from you and Mike, too.

  1046. 38:22

    It's so important that everybody is

  1047. 38:25

    feeling like they're a part of it, like

  1048. 38:27

    a useful cog in the machine, and that

  1049. 38:29

    there it's a satisfying job for them.

  1050. 38:32

    Now, do you guys have um for severance,

  1051. 38:35

    uh which by the way, congratulations.

  1052. 38:36

    Thanks.

  1053. 38:37

    And get that Emmy speech ready, baby.

  1054. 38:40

    Get that Emmy speech ready, honey,

  1055. 38:43

    please.

  1056. 38:43

    Um but um

  1057. 38:46

    get it ready. But um

  1058. 38:50

    uh when you um when you shoot that show,

  1059. 38:53

    is it I just feel like it's a really I

  1060. 38:56

    mean it's so beautifully shot, you have

  1061. 38:59

    such great uh set design. You have tons

  1062. 39:03

    of like it just seems like it's a long

  1063. 39:06

    How many days take is one episode take?

  1064. 39:09

    Well, it depends.

  1065. 39:10

    It's long, right?

  1066. 39:11

    It's long. The season 2 I think it was

  1067. 39:15

    186 days.

  1068. 39:16

    Wow. for the season, which is a a long

  1069. 39:20

    time, you know. I mean, I think like one

  1070. 39:22

    episode took like six weeks and then I

  1071. 39:25

    think it's kind of average out because

  1072. 39:26

    we shoot them like three at a time all

  1073. 39:29

    mixed up together crossboard is the you

  1074. 39:32

    do that. Okay.

  1075. 39:33

    Season one we shot the entire thing at

  1076. 39:36

    once. So like in month nine we were

  1077. 39:39

    still shooting scenes from the first

  1078. 39:41

    episode. But the thing that that did,

  1079. 39:44

    the accidental thing that that did is,

  1080. 39:46

    you know, the first few episodes of any

  1081. 39:48

    show are a little shaky and everyone's

  1082. 39:50

    finding their tone a little bit or

  1083. 39:52

    characters or whatever. It spread that

  1084. 39:54

    out over the entire season. So it kind

  1085. 39:56

    of felt more or less

  1086. 40:00

    fully real, you know, in a way fully

  1087. 40:02

    realized from the start, but the shaky

  1088. 40:04

    scenes are kind of distributed over the

  1089. 40:07

    over the um

  1090. 40:09

    you do so much switcheroo in that show.

  1091. 40:12

    I mean like you have to act against

  1092. 40:14

    yourself. You have to figure out

  1093. 40:16

    versions of yourself truly that change

  1094. 40:18

    mid scene, let alone mid-sentence. Do

  1095. 40:21

    you have a script supervisor or a graph

  1096. 40:23

    or someone that keeps that? How do you

  1097. 40:26

    keep track of that?

  1098. 40:27

    Yeah. Um, that's a good question. I in

  1099. 40:30

    season one, I remember I had heard that

  1100. 40:32

    Michael Keaton had this big like these

  1101. 40:34

    big poster boards for multiplicity where

  1102. 40:37

    he kept track of all of his characters

  1103. 40:40

    and I got large like construction paper.

  1104. 40:44

    I remember I was staying in Aziz's

  1105. 40:46

    apartment in season one. And so I was

  1106. 40:48

    like I remember putting it out on the

  1107. 40:50

    floor and getting like a marker and

  1108. 40:52

    drawing a line and like trying to like

  1109. 40:56

    mark down like the scenes and the

  1110. 40:58

    episodes and eventually was like I I

  1111. 41:00

    don't know what I'm and I just stopped

  1112. 41:02

    doing that. I just gave up. But um I

  1113. 41:06

    think it's uh you just sort of map it

  1114. 41:09

    out and then just like a math problem.

  1115. 41:12

    is try to kind of lock in what's going

  1116. 41:14

    on.

  1117. 41:15

    Particularly if you're shooting it all

  1118. 41:17

    at once, you have to sort of make some

  1119. 41:19

    decisions and and um we would go back

  1120. 41:22

    and forth between characters sometimes

  1121. 41:23

    in

  1122. 41:24

    in one like in the morning we would do

  1123. 41:26

    iny stuff and in the afternoon do udy

  1124. 41:29

    stuff.

  1125. 41:29

    Ah interesting.

  1126. 41:30

    Yeah. And so

  1127. 41:31

    Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.

  1128. 41:32

    So you like iny before lunch outy after

  1129. 41:34

    lunch.

  1130. 41:35

    That's right.

  1131. 41:36

    Which is good cuz you're slowed down

  1132. 41:37

    after lunch.

  1133. 41:38

    You want to let it outy.

  1134. 41:39

    Yeah. Yeah. You got to get it out.

  1135. 41:40

    You got to get it out.

  1136. 41:41

    Yeah. Yeah,

  1137. 41:41

    you let it iny, then you got to get it

  1138. 41:43

    out.

  1139. 41:46

    I mean, it's such a such an indication

  1140. 41:47

    of how well that show um uh trapped us

  1141. 41:52

    because in the in this last season, just

  1142. 41:55

    so incredible. The finale was so

  1143. 41:56

    incredible.

  1144. 41:57

    Thanks. What?

  1145. 42:00

    Your wife,

  1146. 42:02

    right?

  1147. 42:03

    She went

  1148. 42:05

    pretty hard to get back to you.

  1149. 42:07

    Yeah, I know,

  1150. 42:08

    dude.

  1151. 42:08

    I know. Were you pissed?

  1152. 42:11

    Yeah.

  1153. 42:11

    Yeah. Yeah.

  1154. 42:13

    And Britt is incredible. I got to do a

  1155. 42:16

    movie with Brit.

  1156. 42:17

    Yeah, that's right. You guys did

  1157. 42:18

    Yeah, we did this movie Sisters and she

  1158. 42:20

    was so fun in it and so funny. She's

  1159. 42:22

    great in the show. But

  1160. 42:25

    well, what other choice was any Mark?

  1161. 42:28

    I don't know the choice whether you're

  1162. 42:29

    going with your wife.

  1163. 42:30

    So walk out the door and like end your

  1164. 42:32

    life and

  1165. 42:34

    Yes, you go to the door.

  1166. 42:36

    That's the choice you would.

  1167. 42:37

    What do you mean end your life? He walks

  1168. 42:39

    out that door. He doesn't know if he's

  1169. 42:41

    ever coming back. He He walks out that

  1170. 42:44

    door, he becomes his Audi. He doesn't

  1171. 42:46

    know if that Audi is ever going to walk

  1172. 42:48

    back in that building.

  1173. 42:49

    But that building is not great.

  1174. 42:52

    No, but it's better than not existing.

  1175. 42:54

    But it Yeah. I don't know. That's a good

  1176. 42:56

    question.

  1177. 42:57

    That was such a good ending. It was like

  1178. 42:59

    standing up shouting at the TV ending.

  1179. 43:02

    It was so good. And you played it so

  1180. 43:04

    well and it was so exciting to watch

  1181. 43:06

    that ending. It was so satisfying.

  1182. 43:08

    You were nice. texted me like right

  1183. 43:10

    after and you you text pretty promptly

  1184. 43:13

    after things and it always means the

  1185. 43:16

    most when you text me. It really does.

  1186. 43:18

    I mean it means the most that I get to

  1187. 43:19

    have friends that I mean can for people

  1188. 43:21

    listening can you imagine your favorite

  1189. 43:22

    t it's the best feeling in the world

  1190. 43:24

    your favorite TV show and then you get

  1191. 43:27

    to text the person on it immediately and

  1192. 43:29

    be like what the [ __ ]

  1193. 43:30

    right

  1194. 43:31

    and you know and it's not like you get

  1195. 43:33

    any spoilers but you just get to like be

  1196. 43:35

    like you get to process

  1197. 43:37

    Yeah. Like I think growing up if I ever,

  1198. 43:39

    you know, if I had ever been able to, I

  1199. 43:41

    don't know, text Molly Ringwald, right,

  1200. 43:44

    and be like,

  1201. 43:45

    "Dude,

  1202. 43:46

    you, why didn't you pick Ducky?"

  1203. 43:48

    Ducky man.

  1204. 43:48

    Ducky was the dude.

  1205. 43:50

    Um, or like I remember I wrote viewer

  1206. 43:53

    mail to David Letterman

  1207. 43:56

    and just never, you know, it just kind

  1208. 43:58

    of went off and and disintegrated in the

  1209. 44:01

    mail.

  1210. 44:01

    And you were like, Dave?

  1211. 44:03

    Yeah, Dave. Hey,

  1212. 44:04

    I remember I came up with this whole

  1213. 44:05

    thing that I thought they would use to

  1214. 44:08

    create a bid around that I thought would

  1215. 44:09

    be

  1216. 44:10

    so lame. Yeah, people should know this

  1217. 44:12

    about you. You have great hair and you

  1218. 44:14

    do not have a system. That is your hair.

  1219. 44:17

    Do you mean like a toupe?

  1220. 44:19

    I I don't know. Just you don't have a

  1221. 44:20

    system, whatever that is. And there's

  1222. 44:22

    nothing wrong with having it.

  1223. 44:24

    No, look, there is nothing wrong with a

  1224. 44:26

    system.

  1225. 44:26

    Nothing wrong with a hair system,

  1226. 44:28

    men and women. I'm just saying that Adam

  1227. 44:30

    has great hair and

  1228. 44:33

    you do you think it's because you're

  1229. 44:34

    Scottish? Aren't you Scottish? And

  1230. 44:36

    I'm Scottish. I'm Sicilian. Oh,

  1231. 44:39

    okay. That maybe it's that.

  1232. 44:41

    I don't know. But also, I started taking

  1233. 44:44

    Propezia when I was like 30 years old.

  1234. 44:47

    Really?

  1235. 44:48

    Yeah. It started it started coming out

  1236. 44:50

    um pretty like when I was like 30ish.

  1237. 44:54

    Um, yeah. I mean, everyone on Park's

  1238. 44:57

    room, all the guys had great hair.

  1239. 44:59

    Yes. And all the men and Katherine Han

  1240. 45:01

    had great hair.

  1241. 45:02

    Han has great hair.

  1242. 45:03

    And then I don't think Rashida would

  1243. 45:04

    mind or Aubrey would mind that we all

  1244. 45:06

    felt like we had

  1245. 45:09

    our hair was

  1246. 45:12

    it was just it's just thin.

  1247. 45:13

    Oh.

  1248. 45:13

    But um it was all the men would just

  1249. 45:16

    have these like giant heads of hair.

  1250. 45:18

    That's right.

  1251. 45:19

    like and it just and just I mean Nick

  1252. 45:22

    would grow a beard in a day. Like he

  1253. 45:24

    would

  1254. 45:24

    Yeah. Yeah. That mustache is like what

  1255. 45:27

    is it 45 minutes he can grow that?

  1256. 45:29

    Yeah, he can grow it in 45 minutes if he

  1257. 45:30

    just goes

  1258. 45:31

    Yeah. He has to push really hard.

  1259. 45:33

    Um but one more severance question which

  1260. 45:36

    is um uh what is happening on it? What

  1261. 45:41

    is it? And

  1262. 45:44

    what what happened?

  1263. 45:45

    Right. What's going on?

  1264. 45:46

    And what's going on? what happened and

  1265. 45:49

    what is it?

  1266. 45:50

    But you do host a podcast. How has that

  1267. 45:52

    been?

  1268. 45:53

    Ben and I host it.

  1269. 45:54

    Yeah. How has it been doing that? Like

  1270. 45:55

    what's it like to talk about the show

  1271. 45:57

    that you're

  1272. 45:58

    It's actually been um we did we

  1273. 46:01

    originally it was actually Naomi's idea.

  1274. 46:03

    She was like you guys like because it

  1275. 46:05

    had been 3 years since season 1. We were

  1276. 46:07

    just like we were just worried about

  1277. 46:10

    everyone that watched the first season

  1278. 46:11

    coming back. So, we're just trying to

  1279. 46:13

    think of ways to and Naomi thought, "You

  1280. 46:16

    got you know, you guys should do this."

  1281. 46:17

    And um it actually was it's so fun to

  1282. 46:21

    just go back and really be able to to

  1283. 46:24

    watch the episodes as finished things

  1284. 46:27

    and talk over it with the actors or, you

  1285. 46:30

    know, crew members or or whomever. um

  1286. 46:33

    and kind of talk about it as audience

  1287. 46:36

    members and kind of dipping into uh what

  1288. 46:39

    we remember, what we intended and you

  1289. 46:42

    know all that stuff.

  1290. 46:43

    Cool. And do you remember the YouTube

  1291. 46:45

    podcast you used to do with Aur?

  1292. 46:46

    Yes.

  1293. 46:47

    What if I didn't remember it?

  1294. 46:49

    Do you remember? That's such a bad

  1295. 46:50

    question. Do you remember?

  1296. 46:53

    Because it's something that you could

  1297. 46:55

    forget. People also don't know that you

  1298. 46:58

    did a podcast about you too and it was

  1299. 47:00

    called

  1300. 47:01

    you talk and you two to me.

  1301. 47:05

    Why? Why did you do a podcast about you

  1302. 47:07

    two?

  1303. 47:07

    We did it because we found out that we

  1304. 47:11

    were both you fans and there was

  1305. 47:14

    something funny about doing a doing it

  1306. 47:16

    because YouTube is so huge. There was

  1307. 47:19

    something funny about doing it's almost

  1308. 47:21

    like doing a podcast about like Sizzler

  1309. 47:24

    or something. I love YouTube, but

  1310. 47:27

    they're big and so and I don't know.

  1311. 47:29

    It's hard to pinpoint exactly why it's

  1312. 47:31

    funny to do the thing and that wasn't

  1313. 47:34

    the right analogy, but um we both found

  1314. 47:38

    out that that that Kulop Scott's wife

  1315. 47:41

    and Nam were sick of hearing about you

  1316. 47:44

    two and didn't want to talk about it

  1317. 47:45

    anymore. And so we I think maybe Seth

  1318. 47:49

    Meyer said something on this show about

  1319. 47:52

    being a middle-aged man. If you want to

  1320. 47:54

    have middle-aged male friendships, you

  1321. 47:56

    need to do a podcast together.

  1322. 47:58

    Oh my god. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it is it

  1323. 48:02

    it's one of the things I love about you

  1324. 48:04

    is you have a very back of the classroom

  1325. 48:07

    style of comedy. Like you are a side

  1326. 48:10

    like you're the like out of your mouth

  1327. 48:11

    talker. You're a [ __ ] talker. Um, not in

  1328. 48:15

    a bad way, but you like, you know, you

  1329. 48:17

    are you are

  1330. 48:18

    you can be like the a love tap from Adam

  1331. 48:22

    is like a quick, you know, to me that's

  1332. 48:26

    what intimacy is is when you can like

  1333. 48:29

    [ __ ] talk your friends. Um, and you like

  1334. 48:33

    to mumble out of the side of your mouth

  1335. 48:35

    in the back of the class.

  1336. 48:36

    Sure. But what comes what what's great

  1337. 48:38

    about that is along with that comes like

  1338. 48:41

    you like deep dives into

  1339. 48:46

    dumb stuff.

  1340. 48:46

    Dumb stuff.

  1341. 48:48

    Like getting dumb stuff and and like

  1342. 48:50

    elevating it by the way you talk about

  1343. 48:52

    it. Have you always been like that?

  1344. 48:54

    Maybe

  1345. 48:54

    cuz you were a big TV and movie fan

  1346. 48:56

    girl. Like you just were a kind of a

  1347. 48:58

    nerd in that way when you talked about

  1348. 48:59

    comic books. I mean

  1349. 49:01

    yeah I know there's nothing nerdier than

  1350. 49:02

    a [ __ ] comic book. But like

  1351. 49:05

    particularly Fat Freddy's cat. Um

  1352. 49:09

    uh yeah, I think that and I think doing

  1353. 49:11

    it on a podcast is extra good because

  1354. 49:13

    you can edit it and make it shorter

  1355. 49:16

    now that you're my we're the same age.

  1356. 49:18

    Are you like a year younger than me?

  1357. 49:19

    I think we're the same.

  1358. 49:21

    Do you have like hobbies now that you're

  1359. 49:23

    getting into like you know how we are

  1360. 49:25

    like that happens to us like where we're

  1361. 49:27

    like I want to

  1362. 49:29

    start

  1363. 49:29

    sculpt gardening stuff like do you do

  1364. 49:32

    that? No, I've never I I have like

  1365. 49:36

    in the garage is like a bicycle and a um

  1366. 49:40

    what did I have? I had a telescope that

  1367. 49:43

    I

  1368. 49:44

    got like a really nice telescope and

  1369. 49:46

    never once used it.

  1370. 49:50

    Um a bicycle that I rode once. Um I

  1371. 49:54

    don't I've been looking for I don't

  1372. 49:57

    I I like working and and I like Do Do

  1373. 50:00

    you have a thing? No, it's funny you say

  1374. 50:02

    that about a telescope. That is such a

  1375. 50:05

    like, you know what? I'm going to get a

  1376. 50:06

    nice telescope.

  1377. 50:07

    Get a [ __ ] telescope.

  1378. 50:08

    I deserve it.

  1379. 50:09

    Yeah, I know. Look at the stars.

  1380. 50:11

    I mean, who are we?

  1381. 50:12

    Yeah.

  1382. 50:13

    On this tiny marble.

  1383. 50:14

    There's a moon. It's up there every

  1384. 50:16

    night. I've never taken a good look at

  1385. 50:17

    it.

  1386. 50:19

    And then I just never looked at it.

  1387. 50:21

    Just cut to a dusty place to hang your

  1388. 50:23

    clothes.

  1389. 50:24

    I don't care about the moon that that

  1390. 50:26

    much. Um,

  1391. 50:27

    I guess what I'm asking underneath that

  1392. 50:29

    question is like you've been working

  1393. 50:31

    really hard for a long time. What's your

  1394. 50:33

    relationship to work and to hard work

  1395. 50:35

    and do you

  1396. 50:36

    That's a good question. I feel like it's

  1397. 50:38

    um it's all mixed up and somewhat

  1398. 50:41

    dysfunctional. You know what I was

  1399. 50:42

    thinking about actually and it's sort of

  1400. 50:45

    on the same line of thinking is is that

  1401. 50:48

    you mentioned SNL earlier and

  1402. 50:50

    something that I realized recently was

  1403. 50:53

    when I really kind of met you and got to

  1404. 50:56

    know you SNL was only like what 2 years

  1405. 51:00

    ago a year and a half before Parks.

  1406. 51:03

    Yeah. Like it was a fresh thing and what

  1407. 51:07

    an intense experience and what a giant

  1408. 51:10

    change work-wise from that environment

  1409. 51:13

    and that the pressure of that to the

  1410. 51:17

    pressure of of parks which was an

  1411. 51:19

    enormous amount of pressure but entirely

  1412. 51:21

    different.

  1413. 51:22

    It must have been that must have been

  1414. 51:24

    something that you that took a while to

  1415. 51:27

    kind of settle and grapple with.

  1416. 51:29

    Yeah. I mean the what I was lucky about

  1417. 51:32

    almost was how much I had to do. I felt

  1418. 51:37

    like if I had been playing if if Leslie

  1419. 51:40

    Nope was a character that worked three

  1420. 51:41

    days a week

  1421. 51:43

    uh I feel like I would have been

  1422. 51:45

    struggling because to your point I just

  1423. 51:48

    had to I like made a lot of I feel like

  1424. 51:50

    swings and misses in the beginning like

  1425. 51:52

    the show did kind of did too, right?

  1426. 51:54

    like the I think we were all trying to

  1427. 51:56

    figure out what the show was and I think

  1428. 51:58

    it just took me a while to settle down.

  1429. 52:01

    You know, I used to make a joke when I

  1430. 52:02

    would be in people's movies, I'd be

  1431. 52:03

    like, you know, when you get into

  1432. 52:04

    someone else's car and the music's too

  1433. 52:06

    loud,

  1434. 52:07

    that may be how I am. Like, feel free to

  1435. 52:10

    turn me down. And I think it took a

  1436. 52:12

    while and honestly, Adam, so much of it

  1437. 52:14

    was our work together where I felt like

  1438. 52:18

    grounded

  1439. 52:19

    on the ground as a performer enough to

  1440. 52:22

    just settle because so much of the

  1441. 52:24

    beginning was

  1442. 52:27

    sketch energy, which is different,

  1443. 52:29

    right? Which is all about right now. We

  1444. 52:32

    got to like make it great. I mean, I

  1445. 52:34

    don't know. I'm just guessing that it's

  1446. 52:36

    all about like an immediate thing that

  1447. 52:38

    you have to put everything into.

  1448. 52:40

    Yeah. Yeah. And Yeah.

  1449. 52:41

    Yeah. And I think one of the things that

  1450. 52:44

    was so fun about what we got to do is

  1451. 52:47

    the camera

  1452. 52:49

    helped us

  1453. 52:52

    at least it helped me have my feelings

  1454. 52:55

    about, you know, there I I tell people

  1455. 52:57

    like, "Of course you of course we love

  1456. 53:00

    Ben. We got to like Ben. We watch Ben

  1457. 53:03

    watch Leslie and we love Leslie." So

  1458. 53:06

    like when people love Leslie, we love

  1459. 53:08

    them. And we got to watch Ben love her

  1460. 53:12

    because the camera w like we got to do

  1461. 53:14

    so much indirect stuff like we didn't

  1462. 53:17

    have to face to face all the time. We

  1463. 53:19

    had feelings our characters had feelings

  1464. 53:20

    for each other because of the camera.

  1465. 53:22

    And

  1466. 53:22

    that's right

  1467. 53:23

    the even though I mean and it's such a

  1468. 53:25

    beautiful

  1469. 53:26

    uh genre that mockumentary because it

  1470. 53:29

    allows you to just even create space and

  1471. 53:33

    depth in the shot. People are just not

  1472. 53:34

    in the same room.

  1473. 53:35

    That's right. And like I remember we

  1474. 53:37

    always used to say we loved it when

  1475. 53:39

    there were spy shots through like blinds

  1476. 53:41

    because it made our acting better. You

  1477. 53:43

    remember that?

  1478. 53:44

    Yes. Do

  1479. 53:45

    you also remember this thing we used to

  1480. 53:46

    do where sometimes we would be doing a

  1481. 53:48

    scene and we'd be like, "Okay, I can't

  1482. 53:51

    I'm not someone who can predict the

  1483. 53:53

    future 100%." But I will say it was like

  1484. 53:58

    a couple times a season. I will say I

  1485. 54:00

    can say with 100% certainty that neither

  1486. 54:04

    of us will ever win an award for acting

  1487. 54:08

    for this scene.

  1488. 54:12

    Totally.

  1489. 54:12

    You would say it sometimes and sometimes

  1490. 54:14

    you know what let's just I mean and also

  1491. 54:17

    on the other side I would sometimes say

  1492. 54:19

    you know and I said this on the podcast

  1493. 54:21

    like I would say like Adam your acting

  1494. 54:22

    is so good. You'd be like shut up. We're

  1495. 54:25

    in the middle of the scene. like because

  1496. 54:27

    it was like oh my god. Um I mean it but

  1497. 54:31

    Oh yeah. I mean that's what I love about

  1498. 54:33

    working with you and I just feel like

  1499. 54:35

    before we end like I just want to feed

  1500. 54:37

    our fans a little bit more which is what

  1501. 54:40

    um

  1502. 54:42

    what do you think was the most romantic

  1503. 54:44

    scene between Ben and Lesie?

  1504. 54:45

    Oh man,

  1505. 54:48

    it's so sweet.

  1506. 54:49

    I know. But what was the most

  1507. 54:50

    the most romantic? I think I think well

  1508. 54:56

    there are a couple of nominees.

  1509. 54:59

    Okay.

  1510. 54:59

    But I think I think maybe smallest park

  1511. 55:04

    cuz I

  1512. 55:05

    I just heard a little groan.

  1513. 55:07

    I hope it's a good groan.

  1514. 55:09

    Someone just being like

  1515. 55:12

    I love smallest park.

  1516. 55:13

    Me too.

  1517. 55:14

    Nicole Holiff Center. The great Nicole

  1518. 55:15

    Holl Center directed that.

  1519. 55:16

    Chelsea wrote that. Chelsea Peretti

  1520. 55:18

    wrote that episode

  1521. 55:20

    and I remember really

  1522. 55:23

    like feeling connected shooting that and

  1523. 55:26

    just being like this is kind of feeling

  1524. 55:29

    like how special it was.

  1525. 55:31

    Yes.

  1526. 55:32

    Making the show and that was

  1527. 55:35

    Yeah, that was but I don't know what

  1528. 55:38

    what do you think?

  1529. 55:39

    Well, I have a lot I I mean I feel like

  1530. 55:42

    that was such a big one. I feel like

  1531. 55:44

    some of the I have such a affinity for

  1532. 55:47

    the beginning beginnings parts of Ben

  1533. 55:50

    and Leslie because I do think it also

  1534. 55:52

    just reminded me of like we were

  1535. 55:54

    you know the show was deciding that they

  1536. 55:56

    were going to love each other too.

  1537. 55:58

    Yeah.

  1538. 55:58

    And um

  1539. 56:01

    I really love this tiny moment when they

  1540. 56:04

    realize they have they like the same

  1541. 56:06

    spot when they like to sit under the

  1542. 56:09

    sunflower mural. Well,

  1543. 56:11

    I love that moment

  1544. 56:12

    when I ask you if you know where that

  1545. 56:15

    mural is and your response is really

  1546. 56:19

    it's a rewindable moment.

  1547. 56:21

    I love that moment between both of us

  1548. 56:23

    because and of course Parks then pays it

  1549. 56:26

    off years later.

  1550. 56:27

    Years later

  1551. 56:29

    by sitting underneath it.

  1552. 56:30

    Yep.

  1553. 56:31

    Um I also, you know, when we shot Ben

  1554. 56:34

    and Leslie's wedding, it was so fun. It

  1555. 56:36

    was like we were all just sitting there

  1556. 56:38

    all day goofing around.

  1557. 56:40

    Um, and it was so fun. And like

  1558. 56:42

    I think we had real champagne, too.

  1559. 56:44

    Maybe.

  1560. 56:45

    We probably did.

  1561. 56:46

    Yeah,

  1562. 56:46

    we probably did. And then that probably

  1563. 56:48

    became a problem later in the day.

  1564. 56:50

    Yeah, probably champagne. Not something

  1565. 56:52

    to have when you're when you have like a

  1566. 56:56

    10-hour workday ahead of you. Speaking

  1567. 56:58

    of champagne, maybe our fans would like

  1568. 57:00

    to know that on our last day of shooting

  1569. 57:02

    or one of our last days, like speaking

  1570. 57:04

    of like romantic goodbyes, we all

  1571. 57:09

    climbed up on the top of the hair and

  1572. 57:12

    makeup trailer

  1573. 57:14

    and like did a big toast up there cuz we

  1574. 57:16

    shot on uh at a a studio called CBS

  1575. 57:19

    Radford

  1576. 57:20

    and it was very like we wrote our names

  1577. 57:22

    on the wall. We were sharing a studio.

  1578. 57:26

    We had Who had been there before?

  1579. 57:27

    Malcolm in the middle.

  1580. 57:29

    Yeah.

  1581. 57:29

    And maybe Sein No,

  1582. 57:31

    Seinfeld was on the lot, but not that

  1583. 57:34

    particular stage. Naomi and I have our

  1584. 57:36

    office at Radford.

  1585. 57:37

    You do?

  1586. 57:38

    Yeah.

  1587. 57:40

    I walk over there all the time.

  1588. 57:41

    That would have been my first time shoot

  1589. 57:43

    really shooting anything on a stu. I had

  1590. 57:45

    never had like a studio experience

  1591. 57:46

    before and I was so lucky to do it

  1592. 57:48

    there.

  1593. 57:48

    But yeah, we like got up on the trailer.

  1594. 57:51

    I mean, there was just so many proper

  1595. 57:53

    goodbyes for that show. We really And

  1596. 57:56

    Mike and the writers really landed that

  1597. 57:58

    plane.

  1598. 57:59

    Yeah.

  1599. 58:00

    And that's that's rare. Like that is so

  1600. 58:02

    rare. Are you asked all the time if

  1601. 58:04

    there there'll be a more arcs or a

  1602. 58:07

    reboot or something?

  1603. 58:09

    I always feel like it's it's been it's

  1604. 58:11

    done. Like it was perfectly done. Like

  1605. 58:14

    how do you do that?

  1606. 58:14

    Perfectly. Maybe they should do like

  1607. 58:16

    Muppet Babies. They should do like parks

  1608. 58:18

    and wreck babies. Like everyone has

  1609. 58:19

    babies.

  1610. 58:20

    Like that Instagram thing where

  1611. 58:22

    everyone's

  1612. 58:23

    Oh, yeah. Yeah. AI babies. They should

  1613. 58:26

    do AI babies,

  1614. 58:27

    but like a whole series.

  1615. 58:28

    Yeah.

  1616. 58:29

    Of all of us just in a crib together.

  1617. 58:31

    Yeah. But they should do it like present

  1618. 58:33

    day where like the politics are really

  1619. 58:35

    dark

  1620. 58:36

    and mean. And so it should be like tiny

  1621. 58:39

    babies fighting each other.

  1622. 58:40

    They hate each other. It's like

  1623. 58:41

    apocalyptic political babies.

  1624. 58:45

    And they all like are like, "Oh no,

  1625. 58:48

    I hate you so much.

  1626. 58:49

    I hate you so much. Yay." I mean,

  1627. 58:51

    yay. I hate you. Because we made the

  1628. 58:54

    show in an era where public service was

  1629. 58:58

    encouraged and valued,

  1630. 58:59

    right?

  1631. 59:00

    And funded.

  1632. 59:01

    Yes.

  1633. 59:02

    It was or I mean, you know, I'm sure it

  1634. 59:04

    wasn't as funded as much as it should

  1635. 59:07

    have been, but it was funded at least.

  1636. 59:09

    Um, it's an entirely different I know

  1637. 59:12

    tone to American life. I know it's and

  1638. 59:15

    and you know the the

  1639. 59:18

    many fun town halls that we used to have

  1640. 59:21

    to do

  1641. 59:21

    were so fun to sit together and do those

  1642. 59:23

    and just have people like just come up

  1643. 59:25

    and score and be so funny.

  1644. 59:27

    The funniest people coming and doing

  1645. 59:29

    stuff on the show.

  1646. 59:30

    We had the best best rotating cast of

  1647. 59:33

    geniuses come through there. In fact, a

  1648. 59:35

    lot of people should know that at the

  1649. 59:36

    end of the year, we made a um the show

  1650. 59:39

    made like a yearbook.

  1651. 59:40

    Yeah.

  1652. 59:41

    Um and it was a list of every single

  1653. 59:43

    person that's been in the show. And by

  1654. 59:44

    the way, RIP. Um I know

  1655. 59:47

    Jonathan Joss,

  1656. 59:48

    Ken Hote,

  1657. 59:49

    what a sweetheart.

  1658. 59:50

    Sweet man. And

  1659. 59:52

    funny.

  1660. 59:52

    Very funny. And so sad for him and his

  1661. 59:54

    family and his husband. Yeah.

  1662. 59:56

    Um you know when you have that feeling

  1663. 59:57

    sometimes like you wish you could go

  1664. 59:58

    back to high school and enjoy it,

  1665. 1:00:00

    right?

  1666. 1:00:01

    That's how it felt like we actually got

  1667. 1:00:02

    to do it in real time.

  1668. 1:00:03

    Yeah. because it was genuinely goofy and

  1669. 1:00:07

    funny.

  1670. 1:00:08

    Yeah.

  1671. 1:00:08

    Like the best jokes.

  1672. 1:00:10

    Uh

  1673. 1:00:11

    what is your what is your one of your

  1674. 1:00:12

    favorite Jo what is one of the favorite

  1675. 1:00:14

    funny scenes you got to do? So many

  1676. 1:00:16

    so many. I mean I always think of you

  1677. 1:00:19

    guys on the on on the ice at the ice

  1678. 1:00:22

    skating rink with Gloria Stefon.

  1679. 1:00:24

    Yeah.

  1680. 1:00:24

    I mean that is I remember at the table

  1681. 1:00:26

    read that was we couldn't stop laughing

  1682. 1:00:29

    because it was so funny.

  1683. 1:00:31

    Yeah. Mike Scully wrote that episode and

  1684. 1:00:33

    Mike Skully Sebast,

  1685. 1:00:34

    we got to uh walk across that ice and I

  1686. 1:00:39

    remember just thinking this is so fun.

  1687. 1:00:41

    Oh my god, what a fun job.

  1688. 1:00:43

    I wasn't even in that scene.

  1689. 1:00:45

    Yeah, that's right. That's right. Sorry.

  1690. 1:00:47

    We should probably just Photoshop.

  1691. 1:00:49

    We should put me in that scene. That's

  1692. 1:00:50

    why I brought it up. I feel like it

  1693. 1:00:52

    would I I deserve it. You know, my kids

  1694. 1:00:55

    watched the the show during the pandemic

  1695. 1:00:57

    like everyone else did

  1696. 1:00:58

    and um I rewatched a lot of stuff and it

  1697. 1:01:01

    was so fun because I remembered the

  1698. 1:01:03

    feeling of how everything was to shoot

  1699. 1:01:05

    it,

  1700. 1:01:06

    but I didn't remember what was going to

  1701. 1:01:08

    happen.

  1702. 1:01:08

    It is weird to watch yourself doing

  1703. 1:01:10

    something and have no recollection of it

  1704. 1:01:13

    happening in in your life. It's so

  1705. 1:01:15

    strange.

  1706. 1:01:16

    I um What are you I ask this to

  1707. 1:01:19

    everybody like what are you laughing at

  1708. 1:01:20

    right now? I mean, first of all, you you

  1709. 1:01:22

    know, do you you're very serious now.

  1710. 1:01:26

    That's right. I don't Thank you for

  1711. 1:01:28

    acknowledging that I don't laugh

  1712. 1:01:30

    anymore.

  1713. 1:01:31

    I mean, you're all you're doing is

  1714. 1:01:32

    running and typing.

  1715. 1:01:35

    And if you'll I don't know if you

  1716. 1:01:37

    noticed, but while I'm running, I'm I'm

  1717. 1:01:39

    not laughing.

  1718. 1:01:40

    Not at all. I didn't see you crack a

  1719. 1:01:41

    smile once.

  1720. 1:01:42

    Cuz it's hard to laugh while you're

  1721. 1:01:44

    running because it's it's not funny.

  1722. 1:01:47

    You're running for your life.

  1723. 1:01:48

    That's right.

  1724. 1:01:49

    Yeah. I got to get there like as fast as

  1725. 1:01:51

    possible.

  1726. 1:01:51

    And again, I'd love to ask you where

  1727. 1:01:53

    where are you going?

  1728. 1:01:54

    Where am I going? Yeah,

  1729. 1:01:55

    I'm going down the hall.

  1730. 1:01:57

    Got to got to run down the hall. Um

  1731. 1:02:01

    what am I are you watching anything? Are

  1732. 1:02:04

    you like

  1733. 1:02:05

    anything like super funny?

  1734. 1:02:06

    Yeah. What are you like What are you and

  1735. 1:02:08

    Naomi liking right now or did you see

  1736. 1:02:10

    something recently or

  1737. 1:02:13

    You know what I've been watching

  1738. 1:02:14

    recently is I've been re-watching all

  1739. 1:02:17

    Sex in the City. The original.

  1740. 1:02:19

    Yeah. It's

  1741. 1:02:20

    incredible.

  1742. 1:02:21

    So [ __ ] good.

  1743. 1:02:23

    So good.

  1744. 1:02:24

    It is so good.

  1745. 1:02:26

    Such a love letter to that time period,

  1746. 1:02:28

    too.

  1747. 1:02:28

    Yes.

  1748. 1:02:29

    Were you ever on it? Cuz every act actor

  1749. 1:02:31

    I know is like Justin Thorough. Uh Bobby

  1750. 1:02:34

    Canavali.

  1751. 1:02:35

    Will.

  1752. 1:02:36

    Yep.

  1753. 1:02:37

    Everybody.

  1754. 1:02:38

    Yep. Um Slatterie.

  1755. 1:02:39

    Slatterie. Elizabeth Banks.

  1756. 1:02:41

    Yes. It's a real who's who.

  1757. 1:02:42

    Yeah. Everybody in New York. Um but it

  1758. 1:02:46

    is so good. And to to something I like

  1759. 1:02:49

    doing is watching it and just kind of

  1760. 1:02:50

    thinking about

  1761. 1:02:51

    all of this happening for the first

  1762. 1:02:53

    time, like women sitting at a table

  1763. 1:02:56

    together talking about

  1764. 1:02:59

    what whatever talking about themselves

  1765. 1:03:02

    and

  1766. 1:03:03

    talking about like how weird someone's

  1767. 1:03:06

    [ __ ] smells.

  1768. 1:03:08

    It's just like holy [ __ ] This is

  1769. 1:03:10

    incredible.

  1770. 1:03:12

    Like that has never been on TV before.

  1771. 1:03:16

    let alone said out loud for people and

  1772. 1:03:19

    just how Samantha is just

  1773. 1:03:22

    the most sex positive like incred like

  1774. 1:03:26

    not a moment of embarrassment

  1775. 1:03:29

    like so [ __ ] cool

  1776. 1:03:31

    so good

  1777. 1:03:32

    and Sarah Jessica Parker is so great at

  1778. 1:03:36

    being the center of a show

  1779. 1:03:38

    servicing everybody else but also

  1780. 1:03:41

    keeping that motor going in the middle

  1781. 1:03:43

    of it's so good

  1782. 1:03:45

    there's a couple shows that make me when

  1783. 1:03:46

    I'm in Los Angeles really miss New York.

  1784. 1:03:48

    Sex old Sex in the City and Law and

  1785. 1:03:50

    Order.

  1786. 1:03:51

    Oh, yeah. Sure.

  1787. 1:03:52

    Yeah.

  1788. 1:03:52

    Were you on Law and Order?

  1789. 1:03:53

    I was on Law and Order once.

  1790. 1:03:55

    So jealous.

  1791. 1:03:55

    You weren't on Law and Order.

  1792. 1:03:56

    No, that was my dream.

  1793. 1:03:58

    Really?

  1794. 1:03:59

    Never. I mean, I didn't see I wasn't

  1795. 1:04:01

    auditioning in that way. I didn't think

  1796. 1:04:02

    I was like a good enough actor, but I

  1797. 1:04:05

    wanted to be on Law and Order so bad.

  1798. 1:04:07

    Yeah. Yeah.

  1799. 1:04:09

    What was your character? Why do I not

  1800. 1:04:10

    know that you Law and Order? I should

  1801. 1:04:12

    know this.

  1802. 1:04:12

    Timothy Dinkens. I don't know what the

  1803. 1:04:15

    name was. Um,

  1804. 1:04:16

    we can look it up.

  1805. 1:04:17

    Uh, I was working at the grocery store

  1806. 1:04:21

    arranging fruits or vegetables when they

  1807. 1:04:23

    came up and first started talking to me.

  1808. 1:04:26

    And

  1809. 1:04:28

    I remember my agent at the time calling

  1810. 1:04:30

    me right after it aired and being like,

  1811. 1:04:32

    "You don't know how to handle those

  1812. 1:04:34

    vegetables."

  1813. 1:04:35

    Like, you weren't doing anything.

  1814. 1:04:37

    Was your Who were the peeps that was it?

  1815. 1:04:39

    Or the Orbeck years?

  1816. 1:04:40

    It was uh, no, it was Dennis Fina.

  1817. 1:04:43

    Dennis Fina

  1818. 1:04:43

    who was so cool

  1819. 1:04:45

    and uh Jesse Martin

  1820. 1:04:48

    fantastic.

  1821. 1:04:49

    Did you meet Esapatha who I Apath if you

  1822. 1:04:52

    if you're listening I need to get you on

  1823. 1:04:53

    the show.

  1824. 1:04:54

    She's great.

  1825. 1:04:54

    She's incredible.

  1826. 1:04:55

    Uh Sam Watston

  1827. 1:04:58

    Yeah.

  1828. 1:04:58

    So you went to the court. You got to you

  1829. 1:05:00

    got to the law the law part.

  1830. 1:05:02

    Pablo Shriber and I were in court

  1831. 1:05:04

    together and he ended up being guilty

  1832. 1:05:07

    and I was the red herring. I think

  1833. 1:05:09

    what were you accused of doing? probably

  1834. 1:05:12

    killing someone. I don't totally

  1835. 1:05:14

    remember.

  1836. 1:05:15

    Um, well, we're gonna watch.

  1837. 1:05:17

    You have your Are you finding my

  1838. 1:05:18

    character's name? And if it's Timothy,

  1839. 1:05:21

    whatever I said, that would be amazing.

  1840. 1:05:23

    Okay. Timothy Dinkens.

  1841. 1:05:25

    Yeah, Timothy Dinkens.

  1842. 1:05:27

    Was Adam Scott on law and order? Okay.

  1843. 1:05:32

    The trail leads to a pair of

  1844. 1:05:34

    perpetrators. another mercenary played

  1845. 1:05:36

    by Pablo Shriber and the brother of one

  1846. 1:05:39

    of Shriber's fellow mercenaries who was

  1847. 1:05:40

    killed in a roadside ambush by

  1848. 1:05:43

    presumably Al Qaeda.

  1849. 1:05:46

    God, I don't know.

  1850. 1:05:47

    The brother You forgot the Al Qaeda

  1851. 1:05:49

    part.

  1852. 1:05:49

    I did.

  1853. 1:05:50

    The brother is Adam Scott and he is the

  1854. 1:05:52

    only true innocent.

  1855. 1:05:53

    That's right.

  1856. 1:05:54

    And the own of the whole show.

  1857. 1:05:55

    That's right.

  1858. 1:05:57

    Wow. Wow. That's I wanted to play a um I

  1859. 1:06:01

    wanted to play the opposite. See,

  1860. 1:06:03

    because

  1861. 1:06:03

    you wanted to be a mermaid. to be like

  1862. 1:06:05

    the one that you would would not suspect

  1863. 1:06:07

    and then it's like I burned the whole

  1864. 1:06:09

    place.

  1865. 1:06:10

    I wanted to be a pyro cuz I felt like of

  1866. 1:06:13

    all

  1867. 1:06:13

    you wanted to specifically be a

  1868. 1:06:14

    pyromaniac.

  1869. 1:06:15

    I wish I wanted to be like a babyfaced

  1870. 1:06:17

    pyro, you know, someone who just is

  1871. 1:06:19

    like,

  1872. 1:06:21

    you know, she seems like she's helping

  1873. 1:06:22

    the police and then she's like they

  1874. 1:06:24

    deserved it. Yeah. You know, whatever

  1875. 1:06:25

    kind of weird psycho thing. Okay. So,

  1876. 1:06:27

    Sex in the City is what you're watching

  1877. 1:06:29

    and laughing at.

  1878. 1:06:30

    Yeah. I'm I It's great. I and you know

  1879. 1:06:34

    when you're I I saw something recently

  1880. 1:06:36

    that said that repeated if you have the

  1881. 1:06:38

    urge to watch something you've seen

  1882. 1:06:39

    before and repeat viewings is a sign of

  1883. 1:06:42

    a particular kind of intelligence.

  1884. 1:06:46

    Oh

  1885. 1:06:46

    yeah. No, this is real.

  1886. 1:06:48

    It's a sign of intelligence.

  1887. 1:06:49

    Intelligence. I saw this on

  1888. 1:06:53

    on Instagram. Did you see this on

  1889. 1:06:54

    on Instagram?

  1890. 1:06:55

    Okay. Yeah.

  1891. 1:06:56

    It just and it was a picture of someone

  1892. 1:06:57

    watching TV and it just said that. There

  1893. 1:07:00

    was no nothing to back it up and I was

  1894. 1:07:02

    like, "Oh, great. We watched more Sex in

  1895. 1:07:04

    the City."

  1896. 1:07:08

    You saw it on Dr. Instagram,

  1897. 1:07:09

    Frankie. My daughter and I just flew

  1898. 1:07:11

    together from New York like night before

  1899. 1:07:14

    last and we got on the plane and I got

  1900. 1:07:17

    in my seat and she was across the row

  1901. 1:07:18

    from me and I got in and like suddenly

  1902. 1:07:21

    and started watching Sex in the City

  1903. 1:07:23

    that I had downloaded cuz I and she was

  1904. 1:07:26

    like, "Dad, are you watching more Sex in

  1905. 1:07:29

    the City?"

  1906. 1:07:31

    Yeah.

  1907. 1:07:33

    I love you.

  1908. 1:07:34

    I love you, Amy. Thank you for having

  1909. 1:07:36

    me. This is so fun.

  1910. 1:07:37

    We were really excited to do this one

  1911. 1:07:38

    today. Oh, that's very nice. I love

  1912. 1:07:41

    being here. Thank you.

  1913. 1:07:42

    Come back when we do our big we'll do a

  1914. 1:07:44

    big park show

  1915. 1:07:45

    or we can do Philly justice again.

  1916. 1:07:50

    Today's Polar Plunge is brought to you

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    by Wayfair here to help you make your

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    home a happy place. Well, that was an

  1919. 1:07:57

    amazing episode with Adam. Uh we got uh

  1920. 1:08:00

    so deep. I love talking to him and um

  1921. 1:08:02

    he's just the best. and he mentioned uh

  1922. 1:08:04

    Six Feet Under, a show that he got close

  1923. 1:08:07

    to booking. And that did remind me of

  1924. 1:08:10

    the parks finale. You know, for people

  1925. 1:08:12

    that watch the end of parks and

  1926. 1:08:13

    recreation, Mike Sher and I were talking

  1927. 1:08:16

    about the idea that in comedies, you

  1928. 1:08:19

    don't always get to see um the future.

  1929. 1:08:21

    You don't always get to see what happens

  1930. 1:08:23

    to these characters that you've grown to

  1931. 1:08:25

    love. And so,

  1932. 1:08:27

    we were so blown away by the Six Feet

  1933. 1:08:29

    Under. I think we were heavily

  1934. 1:08:32

    influenced by the idea of that when we

  1935. 1:08:34

    wrote the finale of Parks and

  1936. 1:08:36

    Recreation. So, watch Six Feet Under.

  1937. 1:08:38

    And honestly, it's so good. I mean, and

  1938. 1:08:42

    better because Adam didn't get cast in

  1939. 1:08:44

    it. You know what I mean? Michael Hall

  1940. 1:08:45

    is incredible. So, um, you know, Adam's

  1941. 1:08:48

    loss is our win. And, um, and check that

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  1957. 1:09:26

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  1958. 1:09:28

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